tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post238358272530976959..comments2024-03-27T23:11:38.102+01:00Comments on 'MLM' The American Dream Made Nightmare: 'Lyoness/Lyconet' racket identified by UKIP MEP, but not the wider 'MLM' phenomenon.David Brearhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-26006261592665379322018-07-31T11:03:59.002+02:002018-07-31T11:03:59.002+02:00In response to more enquiries about what are the r...In response to more enquiries about what are the red flags to look out for in 'home businesses:'<br /><br />The words, 'Direct Selling/MLM income/business opportunity,' are themselves red flags, but none of the companies using this thought-stopping jargon have ever voluntarily declared:<br /><br />- how many persons in total have signed contracts with them since their so-called 'opportunities' were first instigated.<br /><br />- how many 'MLM' contractees have remained active for more than one year, two years, three years, four years, five years, etc. <br /><br />- what lawful reason could possibly exist for keeping this key-information hidden from all previous, and new, contractees.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-28309592472128585162018-07-27T22:52:39.451+02:002018-07-27T22:52:39.451+02:00Anonymous - Fraud is already supposed to be outlaw...Anonymous - Fraud is already supposed to be outlawed, but the sad truth is, we are sinking in an ocean of fraud whilst law enforcement agencies are swamped with complaints (most of which cannot be investigated).<br /><br />The time to have stopped the 'MLM lie was before it grew to such a size that the truth lurking behind it, has become almost unthinkable.<br /><br />David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-15014059609098889552018-07-27T19:09:37.109+02:002018-07-27T19:09:37.109+02:00Do you think that MLMs could be ever be outlawed D...Do you think that MLMs could be ever be outlawed David?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-75716192828268814882018-07-27T11:04:53.583+02:002018-07-27T11:04:53.583+02:00Anonymous - You are not the first person to make t...Anonymous - You are not the first person to make that observation, but it remains unthinkable to many people. <br /><br />Today, as soon as anyone dares to compare kitsch, latter-day cultic groups like Hubert Freidl's 'Lyoness,' to Adolf Hitler and the 'Nazis,' casual observers have a tendency to throw up their hands in horror and deny that this apparently shocking comparison can be valid or appropriate. There are even some academically-qualified casual observers who will point to what is known as Godwin's Law. However, Godwin's Law (which was created with the intention of stopping thoughtless persons from making glib statements) specifically allows thoughtful and appropriate comparisons to be made with Adolf Hitler and the 'Nazis.' <br /><br />Apart from the fact the 'Lyoness' is Austrian, there are many more points of comparison between it and so-called 'National Socialism.'<br /><br />Like all 'income opportunity' cults, internally the structure of 'Lyoness' comprises pyramids of initiation (into a secret knowledge) and obedience (in a para-military hierarchy). <br /><br />Just like those of 'Lyoness,' the 'Nazi' bosses raised vast sums of capital via the peddling of publications, recordings, tickets to meeetings, etc. <br /><br />Ultimately, the quasi-religious fairy story (of a future secure Utopian existence on Earth) that has been peddled by numerous 'income opportunity' cults, is essentially the same as that peddled by the Nazis.<br /><br />It is interesting to note that the 'Nazis' also ran vast financial frauds.<br /><br />http://mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-lyoness-peoples-business-is.htmlDavid Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-21256104364826687332018-07-27T09:11:26.652+02:002018-07-27T09:11:26.652+02:00Wow! Lyoness "sensation" screaming fans,...Wow! Lyoness "sensation" screaming fans, flags and uniforms looks like a Nazi rally rock concert. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-22255639324593668702018-07-27T08:42:54.609+02:002018-07-27T08:42:54.609+02:00A new Blog reader has contacted me by mail to ask:...A new Blog reader has contacted me by mail to ask:<br /><br />Why are foreign pyramid scheming companies like Lyoness allowed to operate in the UK?<br /><br />_________________________________________________________________________<br /><br /><br />Might I suggest that any UK citizen reading this article, writes to his/her member of parliament and asks the same question.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-35212363758417848562018-07-26T17:07:36.075+02:002018-07-26T17:07:36.075+02:00Thank-you Anonymous. There was even more to one of...Thank-you Anonymous. There was even more to one of these 'Lyoness' local council, political-infiltration episodes than was reported in these links. <br />David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-21543191246325524012018-07-26T15:22:32.673+02:002018-07-26T15:22:32.673+02:00https://behindmlm.com/companies/lyoness/uk-politic...https://behindmlm.com/companies/lyoness/uk-politician-wants-whole-town-signed-up-as-lyoness-affiliates/<br /><br />https://behindmlm.com/companies/lyoness/woking-council-pushing-lyoness-ponzi-onto-unsuspecting-residents/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-41122349733932533312018-07-26T11:03:59.464+02:002018-07-26T11:03:59.464+02:00It has now been pointed out to me that Austrian fi...It has now been pointed out to me that Austrian financial regulators previously looked at 'Lyoness' for selling financial services without a license. These matters are dealt with in the Wikipedia article detailing 'Lyoness'' legal problems. Again, the Wikipedia article (researched and written by my associate) is almost certainly where Tomasz Slivnik learnt that UKIP could possibly face prosecution for selling financial services without a license, if the party became involved with 'Lyoness.'David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-64041324580305209432018-07-25T22:52:13.413+02:002018-07-25T22:52:13.413+02:00By the same logic, all anyone has to do is Google:...By the same logic, all anyone has to do is Google: 'Amway', 'Herbalife', 'Forever Living Products', 'USANA', ARIIX', 'NuSkin' etc., and then ask himself /herself: what would be my reaction if a member of my own family got involved with one of these groups?<br /><br />Remember Trev, once you fall under the control of one of these 'Income Opportunity' cults, it becomes impossible to accept the truth, because the truth is systematically excluded as 'negative' by these groups' controlling scenarios. <br /><br />Right now, I don't know if Peter Jewell is/was a deluded core-adherent of the pernicious 'Lyoness' fairy story. Up until quite recently, he was certainly trying to peddle it as reality. Furthermore, I haven't been able find any recent public comment explaining these shameful matters from Peter Jewell.<br /><br />Given the mountain of information that is available on the Net, if Peter Jewell still sincerely believes 'Lyoness' to be an entirely lawful enterprise (offering a viable 'income opportunity'), then he's probably far too stupid to be held to account.<br /><br />Again, if I'm wrong in any way about this and Peter Jewell now accepts reality, I would invite him to contact me to set the record straight.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-27581070604707321702018-07-25T18:05:54.617+02:002018-07-25T18:05:54.617+02:00Peter Jewell can have no excuse, all he had to do ...Peter Jewell can have no excuse, all he had to do was Google Lyoness.Trevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-91493012893720143862018-07-25T13:19:37.592+02:002018-07-25T13:19:37.592+02:00Anonymous - I think you will find Mr. Slivnik is a...Anonymous - I think you will find Mr. Slivnik is actually Dr. Slivnik and that he holds various academic qualifications in mathematics.<br /><br />In my opinion, when he referred to 'financial services,' Tomasz Slivnik was only looking for convenient rational argument to block UKIP's NEC from even considering entering into any form of contract with a company peddling a pyramid scheme.<br /><br />Thus, Tomasz Slivnik cleverly suggested that even if a business arrangement with 'Lyoness' could bring money into UKIP coffers, such an arrangement would require UKIP to seek expensive legal advice as to whether the party needed to obtain a financial services license, all of which would very probably result in UKIP making either a net-loss, or very little, on the arrangement.<br /><br />Dr. Slivnik probably thought that this was the easiest way to put a stop to the 'Lyoness' fairy story, but again, so far, I've not been able to discover what really happened. <br /><br />David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-55620782470797810412018-07-25T12:54:25.888+02:002018-07-25T12:54:25.888+02:00Mr. Slivnik first said "Lyoness is a pyramid ...Mr. Slivnik first said "Lyoness is a pyramid scheme," but then he speculates that if UKIP had become involved with Lyoness, then UKIP would have been "selling financial services without a license."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-88084391673943754822018-07-25T12:13:22.922+02:002018-07-25T12:13:22.922+02:00Anonymous - A FAQ is:
If MLMs are all frauds, wh...Anonymous - A FAQ is: <br /><br />If MLMs are all frauds, why do so few victims come forward and complain?<br /><br />Part of the answer to this question is in the insightful observation you have made.<br /><br />Most 'MLM' adherents have been recruited by a friend or relative, and in turn, they have tried to recruit their own friends and relatives. Thus, in order for them to face reality and file a complaint that they have been defrauded, 'MLM' adherents would first have to admit that they have been defrauded by a friend or relative, and that they have tried to exploit their own personal relationships based on love a trust, and commit fraud themselves.<br /><br />As ever, 'the most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor, is the mind of the oppressed.'<br /><br />It is interesting to note that in the internal complaint that he posted for UKIP members to read, Tomasz Slivnik did not consider the option of going to a law enforcement agency to complain about 'Lyoness' being a fraud, even though he openly states that it is a pyramid scheme. Yet, the UKIP party's Deputy Treasurer had been committing fraud (whether or not he was aware of that fact) and Tomasz Slivnik was one of several UKIP party officials who realised this and tried to stop him, but Jewel refused to take notice of them and he continued to commit fraud. <br /><br />Furthermore, the perfectly natural, but nonetheless amoral, reaction of UKIP party officials to the 'Lyoness'/Jewell scandal, was how can we hide it, not how can we expose it. <br /><br />Having said all that (despite what it says in the documents I re-posted) it is entirely possible that Tomasz Slivnik or other UKIP party officials privately considered reporting, or even reported, 'Lyoness' as a fraud to UK law enforcement agencies, but so far, I've not been able discover what really happened. David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-36524458797360261642018-07-25T11:31:41.267+02:002018-07-25T11:31:41.267+02:00Same reaction as a family isn't it? No family ...Same reaction as a family isn't it? No family member is going to file a complaint about a Bot family member and no party member is going to file a complaint about a Bot party member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-61425482377662424512018-07-25T10:17:13.236+02:002018-07-25T10:17:13.236+02:00Fascinating stuff David! Thanks for posting.
Fascinating stuff David! Thanks for posting.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com