tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post7662994952342715762..comments2024-03-27T23:11:38.102+01:00Comments on 'MLM' The American Dream Made Nightmare: 'Zinzino' is a lie, and Ørjan Sæle is its author.David Brearhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-20543087636721694582021-02-17T19:33:50.319+01:002021-02-17T19:33:50.319+01:00Unknown - I wish there was an effective way of sto...Unknown - I wish there was an effective way of stopping 'MLM' rackets before their front-companies get established. The 'Zinzino' mob will employ Indian executives and attorneys to register a 'Direct Selling' company with Indian trade/tax Depts. However, whatever lawful purpose the 'Zinzino' bosses declare for their Indian corporate 'Trojan Horse,' this will have little connection with unlawful reality.<br /><br />My only advice would be to keep trying to draw the attention of the Indian media to 'MLM' rackets in general and to any new arrivals (like 'Zinzino') in particular.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-35987040359003952872021-02-17T19:01:13.234+01:002021-02-17T19:01:13.234+01:00David, heard Zinzino/orjan are on the verge of lau...David, heard Zinzino/orjan are on the verge of launching in India...is there any way to stop this? People are getting suckered so blindly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073139366371490622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-4106197377800428652020-02-11T22:46:14.723+01:002020-02-11T22:46:14.723+01:00Yes I remember you Nina. Please e-mail me.Yes I remember you Nina. Please e-mail me.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-55487537027277956272020-02-09T18:44:00.029+01:002020-02-09T18:44:00.029+01:00David, don't know if you remember me. Your blo...David, don't know if you remember me. Your blog is not available to share on Facebook, do you know why? //Ninarockmammanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11382918468525715597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-68909364814686511572019-11-18T15:52:06.415+01:002019-11-18T15:52:06.415+01:00Anonymous - I am always reluctant to enter into a ...Anonymous - I am always reluctant to enter into a dialogue with youngsters about the activities, and beliefs, of their parents. <br /><br />However, what you are saying is that, although your mother claims to be free, she is actually far too busy with her 'MLM' activity to have any free time to be with you. <br /><br />Do you have any adult members of your family who have concerns about your mother's 'MLM' time-consuming activities?David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-54997145247276195802019-11-18T11:41:49.686+01:002019-11-18T11:41:49.686+01:00I'm 13 years old and my mom is in Zinzino 7. y...I'm 13 years old and my mom is in Zinzino 7. years. She says it made her financeally free and she earns 25k monthly by being ''Director". I think everthing is ok but she puts so much time in it that she even don't spend time time with me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-75287039982029321202015-08-24T22:42:46.978+02:002015-08-24T22:42:46.978+02:00Unknown- Perhaps you can send me an e-mail and exp...Unknown- Perhaps you can send me an e-mail and explain who you are and what exactly is your reason for researching into the 'MLM' phenomenon. <br /><br />axiombooks@wanadoo.fr<br /><br /><br />IDavid Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-23371495055832414752015-08-24T21:37:07.750+02:002015-08-24T21:37:07.750+02:00Hi, great article. I'm in the process of writi...Hi, great article. I'm in the process of writing a paper about the history of MLM and was wondering if you could tell me the source of some of your pictures of the Nutrilite bottles... Especially the one showing the actual ingredients. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301766596679870638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-60182350596841626562015-06-21T10:23:40.992+02:002015-06-21T10:23:40.992+02:00Anonymous - It's always advisable to avoid try...Anonymous - It's always advisable to avoid trying to be ironic in English, when (ironically) you have a great deal of difficulty understanding and writing in that language.<br /><br />For your information, the clandestine criminal objective of narcissistic little 'MLM income opportunity' parasites (like Mr. Saele), has not been to try to deceive people into selling products. On the contrary, it has been to convert ill-informed persons (evidently like you) to the financially suicidal, non-rational ritual belief that they can all become rich via the exact duplication of a 'positive plan' regularly to purchase products whilst recruiting others exactly to duplicate the same 'positive plan' of regular purchase and recruitment.<br /><br />This is what is technically described as a dissimulated closed-market swindle or pyramid scam, in which unlawful investment payments (based on the false expectation of future reward) are laundered as 'lawful sales' (based on value and demand).<br /><br />In order to prevent 'MLM' victims from confronting the ego-destoying reality that they have been peddled infinite shares of their own finite money, and effectively enslaved, cultic racketeers, like Mr. Saele, have employed co-ordinated devious techniques of social, psychological and physical persuasion to shut down victims' critical and evaluative faculties whilst giving them the illusion that they were making free choices.<br /><br />Sadly, this would appear to be a perfect description of your own intellectually castrated condition.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-59323064192210968802015-06-21T09:02:11.908+02:002015-06-21T09:02:11.908+02:00oooh! Please help me! The evil Örjan Saele hipnoti...oooh! Please help me! The evil Örjan Saele hipnotize me to sell products! :O Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-12797153236647116182015-02-16T20:30:54.397+01:002015-02-16T20:30:54.397+01:00Nina - Of course this is not just you. That's ...Nina - Of course this is not just you. That's what the likes of Örjan Saele want you to believe. There are, in fact, hundreds of these 'MLM' cults operating all around the world, and their bosses have all been using essentially the same techniques to cut their victims off from external reality.<br /><br />I'm terribly sorry to hear about the destruction which Örjan Saele has inflicted on your family.<br /><br />Please feel free to send me your contact details in a comment (these will not be posted). If I can be of any further help to you, please let me know.David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-66257192238179312362015-02-16T20:18:50.450+01:002015-02-16T20:18:50.450+01:00Thanks for this article! The father of my Children...Thanks for this article! The father of my Children got 'lost' in this Company 2 years ago. I thought it was ME going crazy, since he got seemingly brainwashed.<br />Now, I am bankrupt. So, not did he rip me off completely, but the family is split and he is not the person he was anymore. He is a big fan of Örjan Saele. I found a paper where he has written the things he appreciates most in Life....next to his 'unborn' daughter (who is now 2 years) he appreciated Örjan Saele as well. By then he was not even in the Company yet.<br />Thanks for showing me 'its not just me'<br />NInaNinahttp://ninabakke.blogg.se/?tmp=145960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-74746852304759464612015-02-08T11:29:41.547+01:002015-02-08T11:29:41.547+01:00Barbara - The origins of the 'Zinzino' rac...Barbara - The origins of the 'Zinzino' racket are not entirely Scandinavian. The Zinzino bosses have had links with the Austrian-based 'Lyoness' racket and with a notorious American 'MLM' shill, Randy Gage.<br /><br /><br /><br />David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-47473195114685902492015-02-07T23:14:12.461+01:002015-02-07T23:14:12.461+01:00So now the Scandinavians have developed their own ...So now the Scandinavians have developed their own home grown scams. And they're exporting them to the USA? I see they have the bullshit vocabulary down pat, become a "silver" or, better yet, a "fast silver". Herbalife has their seven levels of distributors and the chance to buy into supervisor level and Zinzino has the colorful and speedy silver and fast silver levels. And recruit four, and have them each recruit four, and we're off to the races. <br /><br />This is so predictably stupid. Americans already have pod coffee machines, Keurig or whatever they're called has pretty much captured that market. And I don't think Americans will be any too eager or willing to finger stick themselves with a lancet in order to buy overpriced supplements. Herbalife will sell you crap without the need to painfully play doctor at home. <br /><br />Thanks for thinking of us, Scandanavia! But we've got plenty of homegrown bullshit so, regrettably, we'll have to decline.Barbara Delaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935335104800848336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-4616281399416094752015-02-06T12:40:41.852+01:002015-02-06T12:40:41.852+01:00Anonymous - Fortunately, a steady stream of tempor...Anonymous - Fortunately, a steady stream of temporary 'MLM' victims have been contacting this Blog over the past few years. These persons (many of whom have wound up destitute and dissociated from their previous relationships), have been able to restart their critical and evaluative faculties. <br /><br />'Zinzino' has exhibited the identifying characteristics of a pernicious cult and I will soon be publishing a further article setting out the underlying nature of Ørjan Sæle's unoriginal cultic activities.<br /><br />In this forthcoming article I will explain how:<br /><br />'Zinzino' has employed co-ordinated, devious techniques of social and psychological persuasion (variously described as: ‘covert hypnosis’, ‘mental manipulation’, ‘coercive behaviour modification’, ‘group pressure’, ‘thought reform’, ‘ego destruction’, ‘mind control’, ‘brainwashing’, ‘neuro-linguistic programming’, ‘love bombing’, etc.). These techniques are designed to fulfil the hidden criminal objectives of the leaders by provoking in the adherents an infantile total dependence on the group to the detriment of themselves and of their existing family, and/or other, relationships. The 'Zinzino' racketeers have manipulated their adherents’ existing beliefs and instinctual desires, creating the illusion that they are exercising free will. <br /><br />In this way, the cult adherents can also be surreptitiously coerced into following potentially harmful, physical procedures (sleep deprivation, protein restriction, repetitive chanting/ moving, etc.) which are similarly designed to facilitate the shutting down of an individual’s critical and evaluative faculties without his/ her fully-informed consent.<br /><br />Pernicious cults like 'Zinzino' can be of any size, duration and level of criminality. They comprise groups, and/or sub-groups, of previously diverse individuals bonded by their unconscious acceptance of the self-gratifying, but wholly imaginary, scenario that they alone represent a positive or protective force of purity and absolute righteousness derived from their leadership’s exclusive access to a superior or superhuman knowledge, and that they alone oppose a negative or adversarial force of impurity and absolute evil.Whilst this two-dimensional, or dualistic, narrative remains the adherents’ model of reality, they are, in effect, constrained to modify their individual personalities and behaviour accordingly.<br /><br />David Brear (copyright 2015)David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-22899569483640356762015-02-06T12:02:59.100+01:002015-02-06T12:02:59.100+01:00Thanks a lot for a very well written and informati...Thanks a lot for a very well written and informative post! Too bad that most of the people who have been tricked into Zinzino or other similar scams probably will just disregard it as "lies of envious and less ambitious people" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-76843484972402411972015-02-06T11:02:45.434+01:002015-02-06T11:02:45.434+01:00Thanks Anonymous, but where does it say that Ørja...Thanks Anonymous, but where does it say that Ørjan Sæle is Finnish?<br /><br />His Wikipedia entry is titled: 'Finn Ørjan Sæle' (is Finn not part of his his full name?)<br /><br />David Brearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11122471861776758998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7762286463497378104.post-13183033636876493572015-02-06T10:44:46.139+01:002015-02-06T10:44:46.139+01:00Great write!
One thing to correct. Ørjan Sæle is ...Great write!<br /><br />One thing to correct. Ørjan Sæle is not Finnish, he is Norwegian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com